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Post by Painful History on Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:03 pm

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Is this a character application, or transfer: Transfer.

If transfer, what previous roleplay has occured(Gist of it):
Short Summary of it. Juliet arrived in a town just out of the Mojave due to the Legion-NCR war, trying to take refuge there. She met an Enclave Remnant who had integrated into the NCR as a Sergeant and became her friend. She also opened a small clinic in the town and made a handful of caps, friends and equipment helping people and manipulating the Enclave Remnant. Eventually, the Remnant had to leave and Juliet was alone, she found herself part of a gang due to being fooled by someone she thought was a friend and, when she found out, she sold the gang(who had been terrorizing the NCR), to the NCR and promptly left the area so she wouldn't be caught and killed.

What OOC items are you requesting? Scoped Service Rifle and a .45 Pistol as well as a small assortment of ammo for the Rifle and Pistol.

What IC-Only items are you requesting? Satchel, a standard NCR combat knife and a modified NCR vest(the plate vest NCR soldiers have in their armor, although this one is painted black and slightly extended. It's also composed of Kevlar and a ceramic composite(like combat armor's) except in poor condition. It protects her from calibers up to .357).

Roleplay experiences? I've been a roleplayer for five years, mainly Fallout RP at that. I Fallout Rp'ed in a community called Infusion Gaming for 3 years until it collapsed and have been roaming around since then.

Why should you have all this?[One paragraph required]
Even though it might not seem, both the weapons and the vest carry a insurmountable amount of emotional value towards the character, as the person that gave here these was her first and only love up until now. Along with that, the satchel and combat knife are merely quality of life and most wastelanders have something LIKE these, varying in degree of course, as life without them is harsh. On top of that, Juliet's a survivor, she's seen and been through many ordeals, both in her backstory and in her life and her mental condition actually counterplays very well against items she might get.




[Three paragraphs required]Backstory:
17 pages... I'm so sorry...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipi2818q9dpmh6g/Juliet.docx?dl=0

What are your perks/skills?
Juliet is an avid reader and not only was taught by the Followers but she also was trained by an Enclave Remnant, as such she has a lot of knowledge normal wastelanders wouldn't such as:
-Medicine
-Surgery
-Weapon Handling and Maintenance
-Knowledge on how to repair certain items as well as common ones.
-Minor Science knowledge
-Physics
-Literary works of old, such as Shakespeare, Edgar Allan Poe and even Greek and Roman books(Follower of Apocalypse supplied).
-She's quite the good shot, especially with rifles.
-She's a good manipulator and an even better actor.
-Hyperthymesia.
-She's fast and agile.

What are your faults/flaws?
-Hyperthymesia.
-She lacks stamina.
-She lacks strength(lacking strength is pretty big as it reduces her ability to use certain weapons and makes her unable to use some entirely).
-She's a nervous wreck. It's explained later in the post, but I'll post it here as a spoiler.
Spoiler:
Another thing to note, she's actually more nervous now more than ever, if anything, she's drifting towards being more antisocial then before and more cautious around people. I'll specify something here that I'm going to add to the app and should've done so(my bad). She might have the SKILL and KNOWLEDGE to handle a gun, but during tense circumstances... She can't do it. She's just too much of a nervous wreck to be able to hold it properly. If she's shooting an animal that isn't a Deathclaw or an Yao Guai. She's fine. A ghoul? Her aim might tremble a bit, but she can still aim fairly accurate. Another person that IS NOT OBVIOUSLY a Fiend or a Raider? Then oh boy is she going to struggle. As for Fiends and Raiders, it varies. She came to terms with killing, she doesn't beat herself over it anymore, but she still has trouble with holding that weapon when the time comes.
-She really has a 'fucked up' sense of morals, causing her to be trouble.
-She can NOT take chems whatsoever(not even med-x, anything that's addictive is a no no) as she's easily addicted and consuming enough Psycho or Jet(which isn't a lot) will make her go in a coma or die.

(Optional)Character Description:
Juliet is a girl that appears to be around 20 or so, if not younger, but in reality is 24. She's 5'5 feet tall and has a generally malnourished, slim and weak physique while also being petite, having curves but not pronounced at all. Her skin is unusually pale and fair for a wastelander, although it does carry a faint tan around her face and is still dirty due to the dust, while still being pale of course. Her eyes are a cryptic pale that have a child-like innocence to them, complimenting what is now her medium sized, light blonde colored hair. Her face is fairly round and has young features, making her look what some could describe as 'cute', while still maintaining a small sense of maturity. She has a gasmask on her face with a single filter to protect from any noxious gases, this gasmask is essentially makeshit, it's a metal structure that wraps around her face, covering her lower jaw all the way up to her nos, it's also painted in a metallic black. Along with that, she has a black hoodie with a red t-shirt underneath, the aforementioned plate carrier which is also black and a pair of regular dark blue jeans which are dusty and tattered. Her shoes are a pair of army boots, colored in a black color as well. On her back is a standard service rifle held there by a 3-point sling and on her thigh is a holster with the .45 Pistol next to it. Across her body a satchel is slung.




RP is included in the backstory. It's not included in the... Most obvious of ways, but it IS there.




Notes: What are character traits? I assumed those were her perks and flaws... Like, that's what traits are.
Minor edits here and there as I remembered certain things, plus I placed some items in their correct sections.


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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Scrat on Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:19 pm

Alright so I will be honest and say I didn't read the backstory one bit (17 paragraphs?!) so my critique may be off and feel free to correct as needed.

Now, ALL NCR troopers in the area are remnants of the Foxtrot 5 Battalion, an expansionist unit meant to take territories far from the capital. I'm not sure if your character is an active serving NCR trooper, in which case the forum applications for them were closed a while ago and they are no longer being accepted. If she is a deserter, a 1 paragraph summary of why she's out here in Montana would be appreciated.

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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Painful History on Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:30 pm

She's not a trooper. She was just a wastelander that helped the NCR and made more than friends with a Sergeant.
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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Scrat on Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:33 pm

And for that, they gave her an entire NCR armor set, .45 pistol (which is not standard issue), and a service rifle. How did she get the ceramic plating that can protect against .357? Again, briefly.

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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Painful History on Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:40 pm

Scrat wrote:And for that, they gave her an entire NCR armor set, .45 pistol (which is not standard issue), and a service rifle. How did she get the ceramic plating that can protect against .357? Again, briefly.  

The .45 was a actually a keepsake of said Sergeant, which she didn't carry around with her, of course. As I said, she was an Enclave member inside the NCR, as many are in Fallout Lore. On the Service Rifle: I actually do not exactly recall how I got it, although I do remember getting it and replacing my Cowboy Repeater with it on server. I do think that she was given it when the NCR was reclaiming a mine from dangerous mutated creatures and she decided to help. After that, as a reward, she was allowed to keep it as the Sergeant(who was the quartermaster) passed it off as "supplies that never came" since, as you must know as an NCR leader, happens often. The NCR is a corrupt organization to the core and things don't function all that well on the inside, despite how they play it out.

The ceramic plating was, once again, given by said Enclave Remnant who had a chestplate of her old combat armor. It's incredibly worn and in poor condition, so it can't stop higher caliber bullets as it should and it doesn't protect against .357, it will probably shatter with that bullet, or at least, the kinetic force will bruiser her. On top of that, she still has the plate/kevlar that the normal NCR carry has, which adds to the protection of course. This was all ICly given to her on the previous server, I'm not making this up because I feel like it.
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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Scrat on Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:43 pm

I have no doubt that all the items were given via IC means as it is somewhat reasonable.

But I'm still on the fence about this one. Legit as you may have gotten those items, those are still powerful on a server with hardly any gear to go around. And as far as I've seen, you still have not told me how she got to Montana.

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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Painful History on Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:54 pm

Well, you only told me to write why she was in Montana if she was a Deserter, which she isn't. As why she's here specifically? There's no reason for her to be in this specific area, she just stumbled upon it while traveling the wastes, moving as far from where she was before to make sure no one came after her after all the people she sold out to the NCR(which actually helped earning her the gear, including the backpack). She didn't want to enlist in the army because she finds that life boring, so she knew she couldn't have protection and so she wandered. She also wanted to forget all the mistakes she made. As for why Montana specifically? Montana is a fairly non-important area, so it shouldn't have been hit that hard by the bombs, it makes for a good safe heaven as people there are most likely scraping by and dealing with their own troubles.

If you want me to give you a reason as to why she moved here specifically, she doesn't have one, she doesn't need to have one, she came across it while wandering. Specific reasons aren't needed for a person to travel to a place... They can just stumble upon it and decide to stay there for a while.
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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Scrat on Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:59 pm

Except there's the fact that Montana is surrounded by a legion blockade, which is why the NCR here cant get supplies, 'croots, or communication from the capital. Normally this wouldn't be much for the usual traveler, but Juliet is sporting NCR attire. She would have great issue just 'wandering here' when she'd be captured, killed, or worse by the Legion because of what she wears alone.

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Post by Painful History on Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:01 pm

She's not sporting NCR attire. It doesn't look anything like it at all. If you read the app you know that the carrier is based on the NCR Plate Carrier soldiers used but it's extended, black and looks nothing like it anymore. Anyone can have a Combat Knife and a Service Rifle too.
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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Scrat on Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:03 pm

Upon further reading, yes. Got me there.

I remain Neutral.

I remain neutral because the weapons and armor are quite significant in this server. Infusion had a radically different economy that allowed most people to have guns and a decent armor set, while here any guns or armor sets are a luxury.

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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by The Gunrunner on Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:00 pm

And my post was deleted by an accidental refresh goddamnit i ;kjabs;dkjb

Reading through the backstory. I'd originally made my notices as I went through, but I now have to go from memory:
Spoiler:

Hyperthymesia: No issue here, but I just want to ensure that you know this is rare. I'm also unsure whether or not this can be caused from trauma, but there's not a lot of information on the causes anyway. Perhaps you'd be able to answer this for me.
Update: This won't affect whether or not I give my support, but I think it would be better if her diagnosis from the FotA was the first time we heard of her condition.
I had another 'update' thing, but I can't remember what it was about.

Her Jet addiction: The initial start of this doesn't make sense. The story describes a painful experience, but then says she wants them anyway. If it's because of a sudden addiction, then that wasn't clear.

Her stockpile of drugs: In real life, many drug addicts get that mentality of "Do whatever it takes" to get their next 'hit.' When all she has is the same mindset, I'm having trouble believing she'd manage to become so successful. If a trait was mentioned, or some other advantage, then this problem would be gone.

The jammed 10mm pistol: The weapon was described as being 'broken' and 'jammed,' but later fires multiple times without a hitch.

Her phobia for lab coats: How this happened, I have no idea. It seems to have happened before she's forced to experience her withdrawal symptoms, so all that's happened is she deluded herself into thinking their trying to hurt her. Since she's been doing that since the 'event' with her adopted father, nothing has happened which is worse or even as bad as past happenings.

Her name: No issue. I like this, actually; usually when someone makes a character whom had a liking for plays of poetry, it's quickly forgotten and merely used as a throwaway piece. Just want to give you a thumbs up for making it have an impact.
I really hope I didn't forget anything important.

Traits and skills:
-Medicine = Explained
-Surgery = Explained, but you said she was an 'amateur.' I'm assuming you mean she isn't that fantastical, so I don't know how far her surgical capabilities go.
-Weapon Handling and Maintenance = Unexplained, but it's something you'd get from experience. I'm guessing she's merely average?
-Knowledge on how to repair certain items as well as common ones = Unexplained, unless learned through reading.
-Minor Science knowledge = Explained if you mean biology, unexplained if you mean computers. However, once again, it may have been done through her reading?
-Physics = Learned through reading? Otherwise unexplained.
-Literary works of old, such as Shakespeare, Edgar Allan Poe and even Greek and Roman books(Follower of Apocalypse supplied.) = Explained, and even if it wasn't it wouldn't be a problem.
-She's quite the good shot, especially with rifles = Unexplained. If it's something learned through experience, then I honestly can't see much past an average.
-She's a good manipulator and an even better actor = Eeeeeeh noted in the ending chapter.
-Hyperthymesia.
-She's fast and agile = I'm guessing she got this with a mix of experience from her addiction days and natural traits?
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Waiting on some responses, but right now I think the marksmanship should be taken off. Also, there are some spelling mistakes but I'd feel bad if I asked you to shift through all that text. I'm willing to look through it and pm you what I can find if you want me to.

Gear and equipment:
Pistol = Explained: I have no problem here myself.
Scoped service rifle = Unexplained: If it was, then I'm not sure where to lean. On one hand, it's a basic rifle and a scope isn't spiking into absurdity (I could, in theory, do the same with half a binocular.) On the other hand, the NCR and protegers (?) are the only ones with this level of weaponry (low as it may be.)
Armour = Unexplained: The ceramic plating and maybe the kevlar is too much. Just the armour with the extension is fine in my books.
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
If the armour was toned down and the service rifle was dropped, then I'm a happy man.

+ or - support is pending until I know what you'll do.
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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Painful History on Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:16 pm

I'm not dropping either of those as I have explained above. She was given those ICly, in a server, by a person and they hold quite the sentimental value to her. I know there are some spelling mistakes in the backstory as well, because I've been going through my older works recently and trying to improve on them. I did some work on it last night and got the last chapters, did a few minor improvements, improved sentence structure and corrected grammar mistakes. This is one of my oldest works, so it's natural that it's a bit more riddled with errors here and there.

Now onto explanations. The gear was already covered in my little 'argument' with Scrap above, furthermore the armor itself IS the ceramic plating and Kevlar. It's basically a modified plate carrier instead of having plate it has a worn out and battered ceramic plating.

The knowledge on how to repair items is fairly simple, this was one of the few basic things she learnt while working with the followers. The science skills are yes, mainly biology and geology, although it has a small bit of computer on the side which really isn't all that useful unless she wanted to hack into those 'very easy' computers that are barely encrypted.

Weapon Handling was something she was taught by said NCR Sergeant so she's above average, ALMOST on par with a NCR Trooper who had actual training already, but it's only with pistols, rifles and automatic weapons with low recoil, so shotguns are a no-no. Maintenance was part of the lessons, of course.

Physics were taught by the followers, but mainly learnt through reading as it's the area she's most interested on.

Again, she's a good shot because she dedicated a small portion of her life to this, I should've honestly specified that the weapon handling only applied to pistols, rifles and automatic weapons with low recoil, things she can handle with her lack of strength.

Yeah, her agility and speed are better than your average human and much better than other malnourished and weak people. This is mainly because of side-effects the overusage of drugs had on her. There are many more downsides though and it wasn't really worth for a small boost in ability and speed, plus it's a natural talent that makes up for her lack of strength(strength she also lost when consuming drugs).

On another note, for people that don't know what Hyperthymesia is and don't want to google. Hyperthymesia is a mental condition that makes the individual able to profoundly remember almost every moment of their lives, especially traumatic events, down to the finest detail. Normally, these traumatic memories would be locked away by your brain to ensure your mental safety, but people that suffer from this condition have them 'triggered' by familiar smells, tastes, words and scenarios. It's a big hindrance, while also helping due to how well she can remember things.
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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Gefaehrlich on Sat Jun 27, 2015 2:52 am

My simple reaction to this character application, is this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw7dlXrkrEU

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Post by Painful History on Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:57 am

I have no idea if that is good or bad.
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Post by Gefaehrlich on Sat Jun 27, 2015 2:20 pm

Painful History wrote:I have no idea if that is good or bad.

Generally bad. Not because of the gear this time, but because of the backstory itself - It's just...rather over-the-top, and generally seems to be trying to force 'Grr evil stuph' more than trying to establish any logical backstory. There's also a few grammar mistakes, some illogical situations/events, and some extreme coincidences that are a bit cringeworthy.

I'm not judging you as a person, I'm simply judging this app - I think you're gonna want to re-write it with less ridiculously 'edgy' subject matter.


What are your perks/skills?
Juliet is an avid reader, as such she has a lot of knowledge normal wastelanders wouldn't such as:
-Medicine
-Surgery
-Weapon Handling and Maintenance
-Knowledge on how to repair certain items as well as common ones.
-Minor Science knowledge
-Physics
-Literary works of old, such as Shakespeare, Edgar Allan Poe and even Greek and Roman books(Follower of Apocalypse supplied).
-She's quite the good shot, especially with rifles.
-She's a good manipulator and an even better actor.
-Hyperthymesia.
-She's fast and agile.

What are your faults/flaws?
-Hyperthymesia.
-She lacks stamina.
-She lacks strength(lacking strength is pretty big as it reduces her ability to use certain weapons and makes her unable to use some entirely).
-She really has a 'fucked up' sense of morals, causing her to be trouble.
-She can NOT take chems whatsoever(not even med-x, anything that's addictive is a no no) as she's easily addicted and consuming enough Psycho or Jet(which isn't a lot) will make her go in a coma or die.

Judging from this - your character is also rather ... perfect. These 'flaws' do not in any way overpower the perks/skills, they don't even get close to matching them.

In fact '-She's fast and agile.' and 'She lacks stamina' generally cancel eachother out, and 'Juliet is an avid reader, as such she has a lot of knowledge normal wastelanders wouldn't such as' is a horribly incorrect statement, as books are not expensive and can be found almost everywhere - this is a bad qualifier for skill sets and generally would not actually provide you much knowledge on the subject of things such as repairing equipment or performing surgery.

"She's a good manipulator and an even better actor." This is a bit silly. You're not a good manipulator, nor a good actor since the ability to 'manipulate' people only works if you can manipulate a player's character - Meaning you can not just say 'Hey. Im good at manipulating, so you need to believe me regardless!'. This 'skill' is entirely at the mercy of how a player interprets your actions and words. (This is just a personal complaint however - just saying this is less of a skill, more of an occasional thing that works out.)


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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Painful History on Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:00 pm

I hope you know that the simple flaw of Hyperthymesia actually encompasses a lot, including PTSD, major headaches, irritability and a lot other personality and mental traits that come associated with the disease while the only perk of it is really the good memory. Also, let's clarify something: Burnt books are common in the wasteland, actual fully readable ones are much, much rarer. I changed the original statement in the perks and flaws because it was wrong and incomplete, she didn't get all those skills through reading alone.

"She's a good actor and manipulator." Is only silly if you don't know how to do it OOCly. If someone properly rp's how their characters acts based upon their feelings, I can easily make my character manipulate someone, unless they are somehow immune to being emotionally toyed with. I'd never go ' 'Hey. Im good at manipulating, so you need to believe me regardless!' ' Because not only is that power game, that's also failing at rp'ing and merely relying on an OOC skill you made up, the fact it's there as a perk and flaw of the character is simply so it explains her attitudes and actions and I feel like it qualifies as such because not everyone can do it, some people learn and some people have talent for it, but it's something out of the ordinary.

Perfect? Not even close...

As for the backstory:
I know there are a few grammar mistakes around, it's a 17 page long backstory, I read it 5 times already and am still finding errors here and there, smaller ones, mainly a few typos and wrong sentence structuring. I wrote this 2 years ago when I was starting to take writing more seriously and as such, there was a lot to improved on that I have improved on as of recent. As for the backstory... Why do you feel that way? Coincidences? I don't think so, at least none that were important, I'll give one to you though, just to make you happy. Sure the father part was a coincidence yes, but everything that derived from that actual came logically. Firstly, she lived in Freeside, a fairly small 'town' full of drug addicts, alcoholics and bums, sooner or later, she'd delve into drugs and everything that plays out from there follows a logical route, in my opinion. The edgy part? I don't see where you're coming from, yes I'm focusing on the fact that she's not a 'good' person, but that's because I want the reader to be able to somehow feel sorry for her in the early parts of the story, while finally realizing she wasn't that good all along. It's storytelling one-oh-one, you want to keep the reader's interest and motivate them to read the story at hand and the fact you went through those 17 pages without saying it was outright bad or boring, makes me think I did my job.

As for cringeworthy situations... Mhm... I can see one or two that might come across that way, but I don't feel as if they're anything major. I honestly do not think this backstory is all that edgy, sure she has her moments where she acts a bit more on edge than usual, but if you analyze the context they were in... From the point of view of the character, they were logical choices she made because she thought they would benefit her more. I will admit though, it has it's flaws, I'm a fairly fresh and amateur writer with only a few works done and I specialize in dramas and tragic stories.

Note: I'm classing edgy as the actual meaning of the word, meaning a person that's on edge, that shifts feelings quickly. If you're using the other 'definition', I'm sorry but I just can't take you seriously.


Just as a small note: No, I am not a native English speaker. In fact, I was born and currently reside in Portugal. I'm not saying that's an excuse, but I'm merely placing this out there just so people know.
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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Gefaehrlich on Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:37 pm

In regards to Pre-war books, No. the only area they are 'not' common are the areas in the Wasteland that were directly hit by a mass of nuclear missiles - Areas such as the Mojave, and the northern states, generally have a lot of usable pre-war books due to the lack of high-priority targets. (Or in Vegas' case, 70 of 77 Nuclear missiles were shot down, reducing the damage to the surrounding areas and buildings - meaning a lot of books just survived being scorched.)

I couldn't care less if you don't take me seriously, but I will indeed classify this character as the 'internet' definition of 'edgy'. Because that's all it is - It's a mess of a backstory, with over-the-top levels of angst that I personally can't 'take seriously' - Dealing with this character would be like babysitting an angry 13 year old whom had just entered a 'goth' phase.

I also love how impossible it is for some people around here to compromise and edit their characters to a more standard level - but nah, gotta have that special snowflake, eh?

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But lets get into the logical side of these issues. First, Lets start with this Memory 'perk/con'. - I honestly don't believe you'll be roleplaying the side-affects you just mentioned, since if you did there's no way anyone would think it'd be safe to be around the character - Any fits or violent outbursts would in-turn be dealt with, knowing the wasteland, violence - She would be tossed out of the town so fast her head would spin - We already tossed a guy into a jail cell for simply breaking his own radio and throwing a hat, I don't doubt we'd do the same to someone like this.

There's also the little bit of why exactly she has an NCR background when the NCR would most likely not associate with her on a 'pleasant' basis. I understand that you /wrote/ the backstory the way you did, but a problem with that is that you, as the writer, are writing the story and shaping the factions/characters mentioned in a way that benefits only you. The NCR see one break of PTSD, one outburst of violence, or any other issue similar to that - they would break off and file this character under 'unstable - do not interact'.

That's generally my only 'serious' complaint - the rest I can accept / move past - but the mental instability coupled with various other personality problems would create a large gap between any form of military and civilian association - She wouldn't be able to fit in well, and I don't think she'd be able to keep her head together enough to manipulate others or to pass herself off as 'normal'.

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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Painful History on Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:14 pm

Hahaha. That's actually hilarious. I'm going to take the bait one more time




Mhm, sure you can find pre-war books with stories and what not around the mojave 'unamed pre-war books' as I like to call them, but ones with actual tools to help you learn things? That's a no.

"I couldn't care less if you don't take me seriously, but I will indeed classify this character as the 'internet' definition of 'edgy'. Because that's all it is - It's a mess of a backstory, with over-the-top levels of angst that I personally can't 'take seriously' - Dealing with this character would be like babysitting an angry 13 year old whom had just entered a 'goth' phase."

I'm sorry, but what?... What? No, seriously, just what the hell are you on about? How could you possibly know that from events that happened in the past? Over the top? What would be regular then? Her sitting at home for 18 years living with her father peacefully in a town ran by a gang, by druggies, bums and other unpleasant people? In a town where there are constant attacks by thugs at night? Is that what you consider regular? Let me break it to you, Fallout isn't our modern world and Freeside certainly is not a peaceful town. If you want to, I'll apply for another character, but have fun getting an aneurysm off of that application, if you're so bothered by this one.

"I honestly don't believe you'll be roleplaying the side-affects you just mentioned,"

Keep telling yourself that to justify the idiocy and ignorance of your statements.

"There's also the little bit of why exactly she has an NCR background when the NCR would most likely not associate with her on a 'pleasant' basis. I understand that you /wrote/ the backstory the way you did, but a problem with that is that you, as the writer, are writing the story and shaping the factions/characters mentioned in a way that benefits only you. The NCR see one break of PTSD, one outburst of violence, or any other issue similar to that - they would break off and file this character under 'unstable - do not interact'."

But... The NCR part isn't part of her background? It happened on server, with real people, rp'ing NCR characters and people who rp'ed them really well at that, certainly better than you ever could, given the knowledge you exhibit. She wasn't even an official part of the military... She was just... Friends... FRIENDS with a Sergeant and the NCR's Medical Officer which actually was helping her with her condition and studying it... Because guess what... Like this Battalion on this server, that Battalion was also sent essentially to their deaths. They were a band of people who had been through court martial and were sent there as an expansion unit to take hold of Yucca Valley and mine it for ore.

Honestly, let me break this to you. You're a nuisance, you are, the way you go around the apps of people that apply for something better than your character has really exhibits nothing but distaste towards them and childish behavior from you. You're stubborn and will repeat the same thing a billion times over if you need to and then go back on your previous statements just to find one more thing you can pick on that would satiate your need to not see characters better than your own character on the server.

"I also love how impossible it is for some people around here to compromise and edit their characters to a more standard level - but nah, gotta have that special snowflake, eh?"

Do you know what's STANDARD for FALLOUT? Juliet is STANDARD for FALLOUT. FALLOUT is a universe riddled with chem addicts, insane people and generally people who aren't all that great. Actually, let me reiterate that... ANYTHING IS STANDARD FOR FALLOUT, FROM RANGERS TO POWERED ARMOR POWER RANGERS. STANDARD for FALLOUT is people ARMED WITH GUNS and with SURVIVAL EXPERIENCE, because they either learn to SURVIVE or they DIE. So, Juliet LEARNT to SURVIVE by HIDING her less desirable traits as much as she could. Do you know what's a special snowflake in FALLOUT? A special snowflake in FALLOUT is someone who is very sociable, who tries to be friends with everyone, someone who acts by our modern world standards. That's a special snowflake in FALLOUT. I hope I got my point across that this is FALLOUT.

But just in case I didn't, let me remind you in what universe this universe is set.
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Post by Gefaehrlich on Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:06 pm

Painful History wrote:Hahaha. That's actually hilarious. I'm going to take the bait one more time




Mhm, sure you can find pre-war books with stories and what not around the mojave 'unamed pre-war books' as I like to call them, but ones with actual tools to help you learn things? That's a no.

"I couldn't care less if you don't take me seriously, but I will indeed classify this character as the 'internet' definition of 'edgy'. Because that's all it is - It's a mess of a backstory, with over-the-top levels of angst that I personally can't 'take seriously' - Dealing with this character would be like babysitting an angry 13 year old whom had just entered a 'goth' phase."

I'm sorry, but what?... What? No, seriously, just what the hell are you on about? How could you possibly know that from events that happened in the past? Over the top? What would be regular then? Her sitting at home for 18 years living with her father peacefully in a town ran by a gang, by druggies, bums and other unpleasant people? In a town where there are constant attacks by thugs at night? Is that what you consider regular? Let me break it to you, Fallout isn't our modern world and Freeside certainly is not a peaceful town. If you want to, I'll apply for another character, but have fun getting an aneurysm off of that application, if you're so bothered by this one.

"I honestly don't believe you'll be roleplaying the side-affects you just mentioned,"

Keep telling yourself that to justify the idiocy and ignorance of your statements.

"There's also the little bit of why exactly she has an NCR background when the NCR would most likely not associate with her on a 'pleasant' basis. I understand that you /wrote/ the backstory the way you did, but a problem with that is that you, as the writer, are writing the story and shaping the factions/characters mentioned in a way that benefits only you. The NCR see one break of PTSD, one outburst of violence, or any other issue similar to that - they would break off and file this character under 'unstable - do not interact'."

But... The NCR part isn't part of her background? It happened on server, with real people, rp'ing NCR characters and people who rp'ed them really well at that, certainly better than you ever could, given the knowledge you exhibit. She wasn't even an official part of the military... She was just... Friends... FRIENDS with a Sergeant and the NCR's Medical Officer which actually was helping her with her condition and studying it... Because guess what... Like this Battalion on this server, that Battalion was also sent essentially to their deaths. They were a band of people who had been through court martial and were sent there as an expansion unit to take hold of Yucca Valley and mine it for ore.

Honestly, let me break this to you. You're a nuisance, you are, the way you go around the apps of people that apply for something better than your character has really exhibits nothing but distaste towards them and childish behavior from you. You're stubborn and will repeat the same thing a billion times over if you need to and then go back on your previous statements just to find one more thing you can pick on that would satiate your need to not see characters better than your own character on the server.

"I also love how impossible it is for some people around here to compromise and edit their characters to a more standard level - but nah, gotta have that special snowflake, eh?"

Do you know what's STANDARD for FALLOUT? Juliet is STANDARD for FALLOUT. FALLOUT is a universe riddled with chem addicts, insane people and generally people who aren't all that great. Actually, let me reiterate that... ANYTHING IS STANDARD FOR FALLOUT, FROM RANGERS TO POWERED ARMOR POWER RANGERS. STANDARD for FALLOUT is people ARMED WITH GUNS and with SURVIVAL EXPERIENCE, because they either learn to SURVIVE or they DIE. So, Juliet LEARNT to SURVIVE by HIDING her less desirable traits as much as she could. Do you know what's a special snowflake in FALLOUT? A special snowflake in FALLOUT is someone who is very sociable, who tries to be friends with everyone, someone who acts by our modern world standards. That's a special snowflake in FALLOUT. I hope I got my point across that this is FALLOUT.

But just in case I didn't, let me remind you in what universe this universe is set.

Someone is upset~.

"Honestly, let me break this to you. You're a nuisance, you are, the way you go around the apps of people that apply for something better than your character has really exhibits nothing but distaste towards them and childish behavior from you. You're stubborn and will repeat the same thing a billion times over if you need to and then go back on your previous statements just to find one more thing you can pick on that would satiate your need to not see characters better than your own character on the server."

So let me explain just what the application section of this forum is for - It's for criticism, it exists because - guess what, Not everyone is going to want you to have / like your character. Indeed I am stubborn, Indeed I WILL repeat the same damn thing over and over and over. I will make sure my distaste for characters is well known because, guess what, That's my opinion on the character - My character is in no means the best character in the server, in fact - He's rather one of the weakest. He's got little to no leadership skills, has little to no friends, and takes orders from a Desert Ranger he's only known two weeks - I've got no problem with supporting reasonable applications, I've no problem with a character whom is better than my own - namely because There's already multiple characters whom are worth more and are generally more skilled than my dinky little NCR Trooper(Torres, Sherman, Sharp, The Lieutenant[granted he's dead], The supermutants, The mutants in general.)

But since you're up for hostility, I will reply with hostility.

People like you are a nuisance, The way you refuse to budge even the slightest, the ways you respond to criticism by simply trying to further explain the character as opposed to changing or trying to change any of the problems others have with your application. It's ridiculous, and that's that.

And I know this is FALLOUT - But you wanna know what happens to Chem addicts, raiders, and Psychopaths in FALLOUT? - They get killed off by people who think they're not worth the space they take in the area. Hell, Fiends are nothing but people driven crazy by Chem addiction, and the NCR is on a warpath to eradicate them from the Mojave.

Logically, you don't tolerate a 'crazy and dangerous' attitude in a setting like Fallout - It's just never worth the danger.


I would gladly + support more characters if a majority of the applicants were not trying to join a server that has barely opened its doors, with characters armored and armed to the teeth. I would be +Supporting all over the place - but no. 2-3 people are trying to spawn with one of the best armor types in the Fallout universe, whilst also applying for high-powered weapons. Hell, I even Supported wraith's application, aside from the .308 rifle and radio because it was applied for on day 2 of the server - but since the rest of his application was not pants-on-head ridiculous, I didn't argue when he did get accepted with the rifle.

Hell, there's a guy whom may or may not be in the server still, whom had applied for a 10mm pistol - That's entirely reasonable, that's a really decent weapon to spawn with. It's strong, but not ridiculous to start with and he didn't try to tack on bulletproof/bullet resistant armor into the application - Why can't people do more stuff like THAT?

There's two supermutant applications which are really reasonable, and are going to provide a fun danger to the area outside of the town - they didn't ask for anything other than the character, why can't people also do THAT?

Scrap would've been fun to roleplay with, had he lost the plasma gun and the rockets - but he moved on, which was a shame.




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Re: 'Juliet' - Character Transfer

Post by Nasca on Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:09 pm

Painful History wrote:-snip-

yes, i too remember the time i was rustled over an internet forum and proved how mature and deserving i was of my request by being hostile and having a fit

oh wait
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Post by Painful History on Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:17 pm

Why should I change my character when all that you're supplying me with in terms of criticism are melodramatic niches of your own?

Wanna know why those people get killed? Because they show it off to everyone around them.

Want to know why people are applying for those characters? Because it's Fallout.

Want to know why I gave all of that rant away towards you? Because you deserved it, you've been mad this whole time, at me, at dog, at everyone else you posted on, because you can't bear to see someone start off with more than you do for a reason other than "he should because he has a superior OOC status to me". You've been passive aggressive, you've been sarcastic and you certainly haven't been giving away nearly enough constructive criticism to make up for it. All you've been giving are personal niches of yours and hates that I couldn't honestly care less about. "I don't want you here cuz you has guns ;C;C;C;C" Please.

Sorry if I bothered you with my app, do you want to see a worse one?
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Post by Nasca on Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:20 pm

if I wanted to see a worse one, I'd just look at dog's again
you people take this shit too personally lol


I don't even know what to say, I can't fathom any reasonable statement would be met with anything other than "YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS THAT I CAN HAVE STUFF YOU DONT HAVE!"
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Post by Painful History on Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:25 pm

Nasca wrote:if I wanted to see a worse one, I'd just look at dog's again
you people take this shit too personally lol


I don't even know what to say, I can't fathom any reasonable statement would be met with anything other than "YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS THAT I CAN HAVE STUFF YOU DONT HAVE!"

But that's exactly all that his argument's convey.
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Post by Gefaehrlich on Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:35 pm

Painful History wrote:Why should I change my character when all that you're supplying me with in terms of criticism are melodramatic niches of your own?

Wanna know why those people get killed? Because they show it off to everyone around them.

Want to know why people are applying for those characters? Because it's Fallout.

Want to know why I gave all of that rant away towards you? Because you deserved it, you've been mad this whole time, at me, at dog, at everyone else you posted on, because you can't bear to see someone start off with more than you do for a reason other than "he should because he has a superior OOC status to me". You've been passive aggressive, you've been sarcastic and you certainly haven't been giving away nearly enough constructive criticism to make up for it. All you've been giving are personal niches of yours and hates that I couldn't honestly care less about. "I don't want you here cuz you has guns ;C;C;C;C" Please.

Sorry if I bothered you with my app, do you want to see a worse one?

You didn't address the rest of mah post.

"Want to know why I gave all of that rant away towards you? Because you deserved it, you've been mad this whole time, at me, at dog, at everyone else you posted on, because you can't bear to see someone start off with more than you do for a reason other than "he should because he has a superior OOC status to me" -"

Stop assuming, seriously. You're overestimating just how 'important' I think I, and my dumbshit little NCR Trooper, am. I read over applications and +support or -support based upon how the character can affect the server as a whole. We don't need people able to immediately overpower the Antagonist factions(EG Desert Rangers vs Mutants/Raider Faction(s))

There is no such thing as 'superior' OOC status, at least not in the way I'm understanding what you just typed. I take issue with a character's equipment and gear if it's 'combined'. For Example - Veteran Desert Ranger Armor coupled with a .44 Magnum and a .45-70 Brush Gun. That's the 3rd best armor type in the Fallout universe coupled with a high-power magnum and a high-power rifle. These items ALONE would not be bad.

I wouldn't have such a serious problem with one of the Ranger characters if he had not, for example, Killed a Yao Guai with his bare-fuckin'-hands, that's ridiculous - over the top, and then couple that section of backstory with his equipment request and my distaste for the character has been formed.

Hell. I would totally be fine if the Ranger(s) that are currently under review were applying for just the armor - and then when they got onto the server, they bought / obtained a weapon from Sherman / Raider / Etc. Because that's just them asking for the Ranger background and the suit - and then they follow up by actually just finding / earning the weapon.

I suppose I should also mention just how useful it would be to have 3 Desert Rangers assisting in defending the Town. That would be GREAT - For anyone in the town. However for the Antagonist factions - such as the Mutant and Raider factions mentioned a moment ago - That would NOT be fun. Those Rangers would kick their asses before they could make even a small attempt at attacking or otherwise causing problems.

So - Long post short - I am fine with supporting reasonable applications, what I am not fine with is supporting applications that -I- consider over the top, and that -I- think would be far too overpowered AT THE MOMENT. If these characters were applied for later on, once all the kinks of the server and the problems with factions were worked out, I'd be totally fine with them being applied for / Accepted.

I don't have any SUPER SRS problems with the CHARACTER, but I do have SUPER SRS problems with the how the APPLICATION is built.

(I should also mention that I consider Fallout Lore to take priority over someone's previous Fallout RP.)

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Post by The Gunrunner on Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:08 pm

So, I was going to wait for Snyder to respond to some of your post, but... there's things your saying that I want to get in on as well.

Long as phuck.
Spoiler:

I'm not dropping either of those as I have explained above. She was given those ICly, in a server, by a person and they hold quite the sentimental value to her.
*deep sigh* "I'm not dropping either of those..." *another sigh*
Honestly, I want to know: Is there any way to convince you? I know you like having a rifle and armour, but it was perfectly reasonable to ask you to drop it for now. Otherwise, at best, I can only predict a 'pending.'
"...they hold quite the sentimental value to her." Well, thank god you went hostile so I won't feel bad for finally bashing this: I can smell that bullshit from another contin- I mean, OH! I had no idea! Of course you don't want the rifle and armour because it's a rifle and armour. Obviously it's for character development. You need a rifle and armour for character development. My mistake, good sir. A thousand apologies for my silliness. Now excuse me while I practice my projectile vomiting.

Honestly, though, it's the "These were given to me on the previous server" that makes me need to wait for Snyder.

the armor itself IS the ceramic plating and Kevlar. It's basically a modified plate carrier instead of having plate it has a worn out and battered ceramic plating.
I see two meanings to this:
1. "...it's not ceramic plating, kevlar, AND NCR armour." You drew a comparison to the plates being like that of combat armour, which is stronger than NCR armour. Not mixing all of that just means you didn't go into absurdity.
2. "NCR armour is ceramic plating and kevlar." Details are few on what the NCR armour is (besides the unspecific 'metal',) but the wiki does say that combat armour is stronger. On those grounds, this is false.

Yes, I know it's still battered. Snyder can make a decision on what level of armour, if any, is okay.

The knowledge on how to repair items is fairly simple, this was one of the few basic things she learnt while working with the followers. The science skills are yes, mainly biology and geology, although it has a small bit of computer on the side which really isn't all that useful unless she wanted to hack into those 'very easy' computers that are barely encrypted.

Weapon Handling was something she was taught by said NCR Sergeant so she's above average, ALMOST on par with a NCR Trooper who had actual training already, but it's only with pistols, rifles and automatic weapons with low recoil, so shotguns are a no-no. Maintenance was part of the lessons, of course.

Physics were taught by the followers, but mainly learnt through reading as it's the area she's most interested on.
Alright. No problems here, but I'll recommend adding what happened on that other server into your backstory.

Again, she's a good shot because she dedicated a small portion of her life to this, I should've honestly specified that the weapon handling only applied to pistols, rifles and automatic weapons with low recoil, things she can handle with her lack of strength.
You could only be average if all you've got is experience. You need to be taught what to do to be better than that.
Ever shot a gun? I have. I was terrible. I was scared of it because I had no ear protection and the recoil was huge, the thing was heavy, and I didn't know how to adjust sights. Just shooting things for a while would help with comfort and hold, but the sights, the 'tricks', etc. would remain unknown to me.
You're not getting in a daily gunfight, History. This shit is far spaced out and yes even in fallout "Ever played the game?" it's an action game. If we were expected to go through all of those scenarios so frequently then we'd be dead in a week at maximum.
Did the sergeant teach you that too? That's not what you said earlier...
Did you practice sight adjustments and such? How'd you afford all that ammunition? In this scenario, you're learning this stuff by just eventually noticing the issues and eventually finding a way to fix them.

Yeah, her agility and speed are better than your average human and much better than other malnourished and weak people. This is mainly because of side-effects the overusage of drugs had on her. There are many more downsides though and it wasn't really worth for a small boost in ability and speed, plus it's a natural talent that makes up for her lack of strength(strength she also lost when consuming drugs).
Jet increases action points, which are increased by agility alone. There would be no speed increase.
As for those downsides: Lack of strength is fine, and the low stamina means you wouldn't be agile for very long. I'm fine with this. I won't hound flaws... in most scenarios.

On another note, for people that don't know what Hyperthymesia is and don't want to google. Hyperthymesia is a mental condition that makes the individual able to profoundly remember almost every moment of their lives, especially traumatic events, down to the finest detail. Normally, these traumatic memories would be locked away by your brain to ensure your mental safety, but people that suffer from this condition have them 'triggered' by familiar smells, tastes, words and scenarios. It's a big hindrance, while also helping due to how well she can remember things.
I'd clearly asked for you to tell me whether or not it could be caused by trauma. Use information on the condition.

Perfect? Not even close...
Dude, you didn't even provide an argument. I actually agree with you here, but come on.

"She's a good actor and manipulator." Is only silly if you don't know how to do it OOCly. If someone properly rp's how their characters acts based upon their feelings, I can easily make my character manipulate someone, unless they are somehow immune to being emotionally toyed with. I'd never go ' 'Hey. Im good at manipulating, so you need to believe me regardless!' ' Because not only is that power game, that's also failing at rp'ing and merely relying on an OOC skill you made up, the fact it's there as a perk and flaw of the character is simply so it explains her attitudes and actions and I feel like it qualifies as such because not everyone can do it, some people learn and some people have talent for it, but it's something out of the ordinary.
I expect you to manipulate no one, but good luck.
That's not an insult, btw. You've declared to everyone whom reads this that you plan to use manipulation.

I hope you know that the simple flaw of Hyperthymesia actually encompasses a lot, including PTSD, major headaches, irritability and a lot other personality and mental traits that come associated with the disease while the only perk of it is really the good memory.
This is all stuff that you are in control of. It's not a good idea to have one flaw rely solely on trust. I'm expecting this to make it harder to make friends and be a good fighter (as in I hope that is what you'll do.) Most of the time it's something they use to draw people towards them, in reality. It also never comes up in combat, weirdly enough. They don't get those major headaches when someone's got their fists up.
It never puts them in danger, or in an otherwise bad position. Whether or not you will do this is heavily based on trust.

The edgy part? I don't see where you're coming from
Raped by her father, her family was killed, she killed her formerly best friend whom also turned her to her addiction, and now she's darky darkison.
'Dark' and 'edgy' are used the same way.

but that's because I want the reader to be able to somehow feel sorry for her in the early parts of the story, while finally realizing she wasn't that good all along.
This is more of a story complaint for the purpose of encouraging improvements: Her becoming a bad person was really abrupt. She was fine with the Followers, and then she left. The next chapter starts, and she's immediately evil...er.

It's storytelling one-oh-one, you want to keep the reader's interest and motivate them to read the story at hand and the fact you went through those 17 pages without saying it was outright bad or boring, makes me think I did my job.
It wasn't boring, no. Thank god. I got through it just fine, but my honest thoughts on it are that it wasn't well written. My first post didn't say much, however, because you're not asking for anything too far. Simple equipment (still waiting for snyder. I haven't forgotten.)

As for cringeworthy situations... Mhm... I can see one or two that might come across that way,
Again, for the purpose of improvements: The reason for the rape was poorly presented (I laughed,) the scene where her friend mentioned rape in Romeo and Juliet was just awful (I laughed... really hard,) her being brought down as a one year old to watch her parents die was just silly, and her phobia for lab coats makes no sense.
This is a few examples. More than one or two.

but I don't feel as if they're anything major
When you want me to feel bad for her, I shouldn't laugh at the fact that she was raped when she was young. That's a pretty good sign you made a major mistake.

I honestly do not think this backstory is all that edgy, sure she has her moments where she acts a bit more on edge than usual, but if you analyze the context they were in...
So are we just ignoring criticism now? Alright, then: support support support on those grounds.
An argument of personal incredulity at it's finest, and I never thought I'd get the chance.

From the point of view of the character, they were logical choices she made because she thought they would benefit her more.
Her first jet trip went with her being in PAIN! That fact was just ignored so she could have an addiction story. There was no reasoning for why she kept going, she just did.

I will admit though, it has it's flaws, I'm a fairly fresh and amateur writer with only a few works done and I specialize in dramas and tragic stories.
And you're telling people whom find issue with your stories that their wrong? Just because "I don't think so"? Excuse me?

I'm classing edgy as the actual meaning of the word, meaning a person that's on edge, that shifts feelings quickly. If you're using the other 'definition', I'm sorry but I just can't take you seriously.
THEN SHE'S STILL EDGY!
Spoiler:
tense, nervous, or irritable.
"he became edgy and defensive"
TENSE? SHE SPENDS MOST OF THE STORY BEING 'TENSE' ABOUT HOW SHE THINKS SHE'S A MURDERER! NERVOUS? SHE'S TAKING DRUGS BECAUSE OF IT! SHE CONTINUOUSLY CALLS HERSELF A KILLER!
GOD!

Hahaha. That's actually hilarious. I'm going to take the bait one more time
Hi, Dog! Oh, does it come with a mocking me- IT DOES!? WELL IT MUST BE CHRISTMAS!

Mhm, sure you can find pre-war books with stories and what not around the mojave 'unamed pre-war books' as I like to call them, but ones with actual tools to help you learn things? That's a no.
Sure.

Over the top? What would be regular then? Her sitting at home for 18 years living with her father peacefully in a town ran by a gang, by druggies, bums and other unpleasant people? In a town where there are constant attacks by thugs at night?
Over the top is when she's taken down as a one year old to be forced to watch her parents die. Did they beat a puppy's mother to death /with/ the puppy before they got there too?

Is that what you consider regular? Let me break it to you, Fallout isn't our modern world and Freeside certainly is not a peaceful town. If you want to, I'll apply for another character, but have fun getting an aneurysm off of that application, if you're so bothered by this one.
i probably will...

But... The NCR part isn't part of her background? It happened on server, with real people, rp'ing NCR characters and people who rp'ed them really well at that, certainly better than you ever could, given the knowledge you exhibit. She wasn't even an official part of the military... She was just... Friends... FRIENDS with a Sergeant and the NCR's Medical Officer which actually was helping her with her condition and studying it... Because guess what... Like this Battalion on this server, that Battalion was also sent essentially to their deaths. They were a band of people who had been through court martial and were sent there as an expansion unit to take hold of Yucca Valley and mine it for ore.
It is part of your background, but that doesn't matter.
Above I said that the flaws that come with Hyperthemesia would only be flaws if they hurt your ability to make friends and/or fight. That does not seem to have happened in the very slightest. If they ignored the flaw, then it isn't a flaw; it isn't hurting you.
A flaw needs to hurt you. It is not a bullet point to add to your personality.

Honestly, let me break this to you. You're a nuisance, you are, the way you go around the apps of people that apply for something better than your character has really exhibits nothing but distaste towards them and childish behavior from you. You're stubborn and will repeat the same thing a billion times over if you need to and then go back on your previous statements just to find one more thing you can pick on that would satiate your need to not see characters better than your own character on the server.
This is going to be fun.
"You're a nuisance, you are," Ad hominem attack.
"...the way you go around the apps of people that apply for something better than your character has..." That's not why. We talk about the apps we both don't like and why, so I can promise you that's not the reason why.
"...really exhibits nothing but distaste towards them and childish behavior from you." You're being quite the child right now with your assumption-riddled hissy fit, actually.
"You're stubborn and will repeat the same thing a billion times over if you need to and then go back on your previous statements just to find one more thing you can pick on that would satiate your need to not see characters better than your own character on the server." You've taken things I've said out of context with the desert rangers, and you've deliberately ignored criticisms here AND with the desert rangers AGAIN.
And really? "You're stubborn"? You're doing the exact same thing Dog was. He wouldn't change anything, he'd just go back to fix his horrendous grammar.

Do you know what's STANDARD for FALLOUT?
A rancher? A former militia dude that had worked hard in a village somewhere in NCR territory? An ambitious NCR recruit?
Juliet is STANDARD for FALLOUT. FALLOUT is a universe riddled with chem addicts, insane people and generally people who aren't all that great.
No. It's more than usual, but they aren't the majority. You do not have a country of people that are a majority of hair-ripping-out addicts and crazies, and the weird ones are those without those traits. Sure, there's a lot, but they are NOT the majority of the entire population.
Actually, let me reiterate that... ANYTHING IS STANDARD FOR FALLOUT, FROM RANGERS TO POWERED ARMOR POWER RANGERS.
If these are your true colours, then I sincerely hope you fail to pass any application until your attitude changes. I wouldn't trust you with a sharpened toothbrush if this is how you think.
STANDARD for FALLOUT is people ARMED WITH GUNS and with SURVIVAL EXPERIENCE, because they either learn to SURVIVE or they DIE.
Yup, but the server's in beta. It can't have everyone armed and with armour yet.
So, Juliet LEARNT to SURVIVE by HIDING her less desirable traits as much as she could.
Then the flaw isn't there because you have a canceling out perk.
Do you know what's a special snowflake in FALLOUT? A special snowflake in FALLOUT is someone who is very sociable, who tries to be friends with everyone, someone who acts by our modern world standards.
Your using the phrase incorrectly.
Spoiler:
A malady affecting a significant portion of the world's population wherein the afflicted will demand special treatment, conduct themselves with a ludicrous, unfounded sense of entitlement, and generally make the lives of everyone around them that much more miserable.

The danger of this disease is that the sufferers rarely, if ever, know that they have contracted it, and continue about their merry way under the assumption that EVERYONE ELSE is the problem.

This condition, if left untreated, can radically alter the carrier's demeanor, to include any of the following: a complete devolution to child-like behavior, temper tantrums, and/or fits of narcissistic rage.

When confronted with an individual suspected of harboring Special Snowflake Syndrome, one's best course of action is to run away. Further attempts at educating the carrier on the reality of their condition (e.g., quoting Tyler Durden: "You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.") will likely prove futile, and potentially hazardous to the informer.
In this case, he's saying that you're too attached to your character and willing to do anything to protect it.
And I don't mean ic actions, I mean refusing to compromise.
That's a special snowflake in FALLOUT. I hope I got my point across that this is FALLOUT.

But just in case I didn't, let me remind you in what universe this universe is set.
Is it fallout?

And even more

Spoiler:

Why should I change my character when all that you're supplying me with in terms of criticism are melodramatic niches of your own?
Guess I responded to what you're applying this to, so... yeah.

Want to know why people are applying for those characters? Because it's Fallout.
Terrible argument.
"Wanna know why he wants a nuke-launcher? Because it's fallout."
"Wanna know why he wants a goliath suit? Because it's a zombie apoc roleplay."
"Wanna know why he wants a chainsaw? Because why not."
I could apply similar reasoning back at you.
"Wanna know why you shouldn't have this? Because it's kinetic waves gaming."

Want to know why I gave all of that rant away towards you? Because you deserved it, you've been mad this whole time, at me, at dog, at everyone else you posted on, because you can't bear to see someone start off with more than you do for a reason other than "he should because he has a superior OOC status to me". You've been passive aggressive, you've been sarcastic and you certainly haven't been giving away nearly enough constructive criticism to make up for it. All you've been giving are personal niches of yours and hates that I couldn't honestly care less about. "I don't want you here cuz you has guns ;C;C;C;C" Please.
"Want to know why I gave all of that rant away towards you? Because you deserved it"
That apparently wasn't enough for when I slammed Dog.
"you've been mad this whole time, at me, at dog"
Dog wrote a horrible app that asked for something that at least SHOULD have high standards. Meanwhile, he was being stubborn and mocking people that came forward with criticism by posting memes. "Oh, boy. Here we go." CRITICISM, SHEESH! or "Ayy. LMAO." That guy deserved it. Also: I've still no reason to think I was wrong. All that gave any regret was "You're being mean!" Sure, I was, but I was right...
As for you? You're just as stubborn, dude.

Sorry if I bothered you with my app, do you want to see a worse one?
GOD NO PLEASE I WILL SUCK YOUR DICK TO NOT SEE MORE! GOD! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOO!
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